Sunday, March 23, 2008

Dinner With A Liberal

I ate dinner with a liberal last night.

He was a very caring, compassionate, and humanitarian individual, well traveled, well read, well spoken, and knowledgeable about art and food and the sort of things that make you wish you were more cultured. Unfortunately for him, he was the only known liberal at the table and the enlightened conservatives who allowed themselves a glass or 4 of wine were feeling rambunctious and asked him how he could not support the war. He tactfully evaded the question, and instead chose to make a general comment on the tragedy of war altogether. In an effort to save him from the impending inquisition, I asked about his travels and which place left the most impact. He thought for awhile, and surprisingly forfeited the chance to lighten the conversation by telling me that he will never forget the killing fields of Cambodia.

"You can still see people's teeth embedded in the ground." He looks at the other people at the table. "Most people don't get off the tour bus. All you really see from the bus is enough I suppose, that huge mausoleum sort of thing, and by the time you drive up you know what it is."

I don't know what it is. I've never heard of the killing fields. Some of the older folks grunt as if they do, but I ask anyways.

"It's glass pillar filled with human skulls, a sort of monument like the holocaust museums. I had to get out of the bus though, see it myself. It was just surreal. You walk up to this huge enormous thing, stepping on the uneven ground where the earth was moved to cover mass graves of women and children but the skulls... There are hundreds of them. Those were all people... with lives and stories and they were done in an instant. It's an incredible and terrible sickening feeling all at once, like your brain can't accept it. It makes you doubt the existence of god, just knowing things like that happen."

My girlfriend pipes in at this point, her liberal bleeding heart was quiet and confined until now, she thinks she will embarrass me by aligning herself with him. She is truly moved by the story. "It doesn't make me doubt God," she says, "it makes me mad that humans can do that to each other."

Brilliantly done. A unifying comment. Somewhere in America, the hairs on Barak Obama's neck are standing. I'm halfway glad she didn't jump down his throat on blaming God for human suffering. There has been far too much wine for that debate, we'll save that for another day.

But another day probably will never come, this man is a stranger made a friend through food and drink and just like those things he will be gone in a few hours. Halfway glad a half hour later became halfway guilty. Guilty because that was a window in the soul of someone who has compassion, someone who sees something wrong and feels it, and I covet that sometimes. I am more guilty though, because I smiled when he said he doubted the existence of God; smiled the way you smile when someone says something you know is wrong but have doubted just as much as they have when you are alone and watching the news about some child being raped.

What frustrates me is that this man was and is so close to seeing the existence of God, he just has one piece wrong, one piece he can't justify, and he turns away. He cannot accept the existence of God because the world is evil and terrible. He agrees with my girlfriend, and to him nothing she said contradicts anything he said. But at the same time, where they seem to agree is the fork in the road, where he goes a very opposite direction. They agree that god has nothing to do with suffering.

God is the antithesis of death.
God is the antithesis of suffering.
God is the antithesis of the world as we know it.

And that is why I couldn't sleep that night. Because we agree, but disagree. Because that is why I believe in God. That is why I need Him, why I need Him not only to exist but to exist in a way that is intricately connected to why I exist.

God is the antithesis of me, and I need that.

I need God to exist, and I need him to fix me. I see suffering and death as proof of Him, the way hunger proves the existence of fullness and satisfaction, the way thirst proves quenching. Hunger pangs the stomach because the stomach is supposed to be filled, thirst burns the throat because the throat was meant to satiated.

The dull and sickening pain when suffering is seen, when death is seen, are powerful because every fiber of our being is racked with the awareness that something is wrong, that this is not the way it is supposed to be. We can feel and almost palpate a vacancy, a vacuum, where something belongs. Something better. Something big, but bigger now that we sense its absence.

Hunger, thirst, disease, all fool us with a power derived by accentuating the absence of the thing that is truly powerful.

I wish I could sit down with that guy again, and explain this to him, but as usual it takes me a long time to chew on things in my head and it is easier to write it than to say it, especially off the cuff in front of other people and especially when I hardly understand it myself. But I would like to ask him if it's possible that death is sad because life was never supposed to end, that seeing a mass grave hurts because we were supposed to see the earth move and wonder what would grow, not what was buried beneath it, and that God does exist because there just has to be something else... something else that long ago ingrained in us something Good. Something that moves us when we see its opposite.

I wonder if he could believe that loneliness pangs the heart because the heart was meant to be knit to something.

To God.

9 comments:

dan said...

i couldn't say it better adrian, even after a thousand drafts. i'm like you, in that it takes me some time to "chew" on ideas and share my response. which is why i'm usually dubbed the quiet one in most conversations. adrian, thanks for sharing your heart.

jon said...

A challenging issue to say the least. The problem of evil in the world is one that has baffled theologians and pagans alike for centuries. I have read some of Augustine in this regard and his theodicy seems to be agreeable, at least to me.

The other issue I picked up on here was that of evil as it relates particularly to war. Its obvious this individual has seen some terrible things e.g. "the killing fields". I read this and can't help but think even of the different views of war. Meaning, not that there are those who are pro-war or against it, but rather, the different reasons that one engages in it. I know that, to some people, this makes no difference - war is always violent and always wrong. However, is there a difference in a war that champions justice between a war that is instigated by hatred, racism, politics, money, land, etc? Perhaps I have had too much Dr. Pepper and this is too heavy of a conversation as well. Nonetheless, it still makes me wonder. The more I understand the New Testament the more I understand the need for giving up rights for the sake of the gospel and that the world is a messy place and will someday be put to rights. However, given the state of the world, are we to aid in putting it to rights or, for lack of a better term, sit back?

C.S. Lewis, himself perhaps persuaded by his service in World War I, provides a decent point of view for the necessity of it. I believe you can find it in his work, "The Weight of Glory", (but I could be wrong).

In contrary I am highly interested in those who offer theologies of hope or liberation. They speak at length to the effect of war and oppression. Read Boff and Moltmann, I believe they offer this option.

The point I cannot get away from is imagining how Jesus fits into this situation. Many conservatives have argued from Romans 12 for war and justice claiming that God has instituted government for the sake of "keeping the peace"...I understand their point of view, and I understand their critics. My own argument comes from trying to reconcile what I know about Jesus with peace and justice. Would Jesus stand by and do nothing if women and children were being raped and murdered? Would he intervene? These are the types of questions that intrigue me and cause me to step back the most.

Adrian Ramos said...

He (and many others) would argue in this case that we did not enter the war for liberation or to end genocide, but conveniently entered under the guise of preventing tyranny with the hidden agenda of oil.

He would prove his point by the lack of intervention in Darfur, as that country has nothing to give in return but thanks. If they had some kind of natural resource or something, then we would help them.

I think you'll find there are alot of people who beleive this. Interesting.

jon said...

That make sense. I guess I was speaking in terms of war in general, not specifically the "War On Terror" or whatever it is now.

He makes a legitimate point about the Darfur situation.

J. LETT said...

well written. articulate. i sing your praises.

"Hunger, thirst, disease, all fool us with a power derived by accentuating the absence of the thing that is truly powerful." This is a powerful analogy (I think I have read something similar in one of Lewis' essays?), and yet I spend significant time discussing God with many who readily explain away hunger's analogous pangs for God through the various academic interpretations of human nature. There are anthropological, psychological, sociological explanations that are constructed from within a different cosmology, epistemology, and ontology.

Anyways, I digress... it is painful to see how quickly people can interpret a reality screaming out God's existence as the very proof God never lived. I find I live and work with many friends who do not have eyes to see.

*final digression*

I am a pacifist, but humbly and readily admit that my theology is not provoked by a personal experience in a reality of injustice and violence. I do think that pacifism pivots upon the following convictions.

[1] Jesus' kingdom came not with a brandished sword but with bloody nails.
[2] Jesus' sacrificial act of self-donation to death, which WAS the victory of God, is to be the way God triumphs over evil today.
[3] Although Jesus lay in the tomb for 3 days, he rose victoriously and out of the tomb a new world was birthed.
[4] Jesus gave himself into the hands of his enemies; this very act, is the salvation of his enemies.

Today, we must trust that God is active through his church to continue to bring healing and restoration through reincarnating Jesus' work in and through the cross. We must trust that even though our pacifism may cost our own lives and that a dark period may ensue of unbridled injustice; that God's grace and love will triumph again.

Actually, I would like to add one more thought line that Volf has proposed (at this point this should probably become a blog post...):

[1] we do not have the wisdom to decide perfect justice.
[2] even if we did, we do not possess the power necessary to bring perfect justice forth.
[3] God can and WILL do both.

perhaps i will actually blog on this subject later.

anyways, adrian. good post. true of any good post, you have delayed my bedtime by 30 minutes.

philwing said...

I wish you wouldn't be so surfacey in your blogging.

:)

jon said...

I could not agree more with Volf's assumption on the nature of justice and you on your challenge to live with the "giving up of rights" mentality best displayed by the incarnation.

The thing I struggle with most is not within myself as "giving up MY rights"...but in standing by and watching others treated with disregard may it be with violence, abuse, etc.

Herein lies something symbolic as the incarnation and sacrifice of Christ as God in sensing that true justice should be carried out and evil be conquered. We do not serve a God who sits idly by, as Volf would scream, yet does that mean that we should?

I may not have a perfect understanding of justice, but if women and children are being murdered and raped and sold into slavery, I have enough of an understanding to say that it is unjust and something must be done about it. Would you agree? And if so? To what extent do we champion social justice?

J. LETT said...

Bonhoeffer, who first peaceably and publicly opposed Hitler, felt the call to join the underground resistance in attempt to assassinate Hitler. Bonhoeffer, who held theological convictions toward the pacifist stance and who weighed "the cost of discipleship" felt the pull to join the fight. His heart condemned his behavior, but he knew in his soul that he had no other option. To leave the resistance would be cowardice, irresponsible, and a flight from reality.

He acted in accord with his fundamental view of ethics, that a Christian must accept his responsibility in this world where God has placed him.

That is my struggle. How do I live in the Kingdom of God, proclaiming that Jesus is Lord and maintain citizenship in this world? And in light of Bonhoeffer's martyr, I do not even feel worthy to really form my own position.

There is a difference between recognizing injustice and acting in perfect justice. There is also the command to love one's enemies- thankfully, Jesus did not kill his enemies. Jesus lived among social injustice and political oppression, and his death enacted the fall of Rome.

Pacifism doesn't mean you do nothing; it means you fight harder. It is easier to use violent force than it is to use sacrificial love to change things. Is it possible that the same love and mercy that made peace between man and god, can also make peace between men? I do not know. But maybe we are thinking like Peter who rebuked Jesus for his way to establish his kingdom in victory over his enemies: "Get behind me, Satan! You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

Christ is God's champion of justice. Christ came to initiate the righting of all things- to reconcile all things to himself, whether things on earth or things in heaven by making peace through his blood shed on the cross. What is God's method for justice and peace? Is it Jesus? And is God's kingdom a reality enough to lay down our sword and work out a cross-shaped method? Also, is violence really a solution that viably brings peace? And didn't Christ give his life for the oppressors, the rapists and the murders just as much as he did for the oppressed, the exploited and the dehumanized?

Jess said...

update.